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Ben Curtis's avatar

This is an excellent discussion of prayer, thank you David! In my own experience, and one of the things that drove me out of Christianity was God's seeming absence during prayer and the perceived inefficacy of the whole project. I admit, I did not pray very much, and so that may have something to do with it, but part of the reason I didn't was because it was hard to see the fruits. As a pantheist (and someone considering panentheism), I am very much inclined to think that if prayer works at all, it is in the latter way you described in this article. I think prayer is pretty much indistinguishable from magic, and indeed, I have long believe that the sacraments are essentially a form of theurgy. Regardless, thanks for the thorough exploration of the topic! It leaves me with much to chew on :)

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Robert's avatar

I have thoroughly enjoyed this series in prayer. Until recently, I did not see the point of prayer (largely owing I suspect to its interpretation in my evangelical background). Your writing has inspired many thoughts within me ( most of which I will not bore you by articulating) but I do have one thought about the miracle of the loaves and fishes:

What if the point of the story is not Jesus’ miraculously creating abundance from nothing and rather about Jesus’ miracle of drawing out that portion of the divine in his audience (especially the self emptying propensity) to share the food they brought for themselves to eat while listening to Jesus?

Viewed in this light, perhaps disciplined prayer (such as Divine Offices) re-wires us in such a way as to touch the divine in self emptying ways and harness the power of human cooperation to work miracles.

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