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Great conversation! On the topic of the Inklings - I do think Owen Barfield is the one figure in the group who evades the nostalgia of which Lewis and Tolkien could be guilty. He is remarkably future-oriented and I would say is the one who has yet to be really understood.

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These interviews are such a rich help and blessing. Thanks. I'm almost finished with this one. Lots to ponder. One point of orientation regarding the broad outlines of Christian thought over time on which I could use any pointers in terms of reading ideas would be the relationship between Jewish and Greek thought. I feel like I hear such conflicting things on this. On the one hand, DBH has talked a good bit about the "Protestant fantasy" of a first century Jewish mode of thought that is not simply a subset of Hellenistic thought. On the other hand, you and Michael talked in this interview about how the writers of the New Testament would have read the OT much differently as Jewish believers than later Hellenistic interpreters such as Origen. There was a clear implication in what you and Michael were saying that a Jewish appreciation for earthly life and embodiment suffers at under the influences of Neo-Platonic and Gnostic thought. David, can you share anything about the extent to which you might differ from DBH on some of these points? Also, do you recommend any particular survey "histories of Jewish and Christian thought" type of books that lay out some of these nuances particularly well?

Also: “He has inherited the mantle of the Inklings on this one.” This was Michael Martin at 55:23 talking about an upcoming story by DBH “based loosely on the Hymn of the Pearl.” Wow! Looking forward to that book.

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Great interview!

What is present in the concept of Sophia that isn’t included within the grammar of Logos and created logoi? Is this not also a kind of divine indwelling of the sort that the Sophiologists discuss, or else what separates the two? Martin mentioned a (patriarchal?) conflation of Sophia and Logos, so I’m assuming there IS such a separation, but what would it consist in? Is Sophia primarily present to the senses and Logos to the intellect?

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I’ve been loving these interviews! It’s like all my favorite theologians one after another. You should do John Milbank next!

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