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Sethu Iyer's avatar

I wrote this comment on a note elsewhere the other day, which seems to line up with your take on the matter:

"My notion of salvation involves the transmutation of the psychical self by the spiritual self (let’s call them jiva and atman, to borrow Hindu terms). The eternal atman *can’t* be damned; it is one with God by nature. I think that when we talk about damnation, we mean the jiva, which is lost in unreality to the extent that it isn’t in communion with the atman.

Theosis is then the process of getting into such communion via the power of the Holy Ghost, and to be a saint is to have a jiva that has been wholly transfigured and thus ready for Heaven. And if a person has lived a dark and evil life, with no contact at all with his atman, then the jiva he thought of as his 'self' would need to be totally smelted down to its elements. The Last Judgment would then be the separating out of the jiva’s psychical wheat from the chaff.

So, how many people become perfect in a way that all of what they are will be directly taken up into Heaven and nothing damned? Probably a few. But I think of it as a sort of gradient, with also comparatively few people being so evil that there would be nothing recognizable left of them."

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William Green's avatar

What a remarkable saunter, David—though it hardly wanders. Your universalism is no vague “someday” hope but a rigorous theological, moral, and metaphysical account with consequences for how we live, love, and fight injustice now. I admire your refusal to let universal reconciliation collapse into therapeutic vagueness or pious quietism. On the contrary, you argue that *precisely because* all are destined for God, our failures to act justly here and now carry real and purifying cost.

The argument gains strength in part because it’s so clearly lived—not just thought. Your candor about the arc of your formation, from the “Godfire” days through graduate school and post-Trad disillusionment, lends credibility to the tone of assurance that underwrites your conclusion. The clarity with which you dismantle infernalism’s moral incoherence is matched by your sense of spiritual urgency: salvation is assured, *but not everything about me will survive it unchanged.* And that puts fire back into the eschaton.

If I had one hesitation, it’s that some readers might find your account so carefully structured and tightly reasoned that they miss the astonishing pastoral note running underneath it. What you describe isn’t a doctrine only, but a life lived in trust that God does not discard, torment, or abandon. The deepest theme is not argument but love.

With you, “in the clouds” is also down to earth—your theology is personal, and that’s no accident. Echoes of Incarnation!

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